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Post by Eddie on Sept 13, 2018 18:57:26 GMT
I have a sneaking suspicion that Just Trains have released the LA route and soon the S8 because they know the District Line users will buy the route and stock. We were going to be releasing a payware route with them featuring deep level tube, but we admitted to them that without a pukka LUL signalling system it was not going to happen. Draw your own conclusions from that......................To date we've had over 32,000 downloads.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 16:38:41 GMT
I'm pretty sure you will get the choice in consists of 7 or 8 car formations, if not it will be a fairly simple task to build an accurate consist using the engine and tender widget. Worry not..................... But S7 and S8 stock have different seating arrangements as well as number of coaches.
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Post by klmconcorde on Sept 14, 2018 17:12:01 GMT
I have a sneaking suspicion that Just Trains have released the LA route and soon the S8 because they know the District Line users will buy the route and stock. We were going to be releasing a payware route with them featuring deep level tube, but we admitted to them that without a pukka LUL signalling system it was not going to happen. Draw your own conclusions from that......................To date we've had over 32,000 downloads. wait payware?
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Post by Eddie on Sept 14, 2018 20:31:25 GMT
I'm pretty sure you will get the choice in consists of 7 or 8 car formations, if not it will be a fairly simple task to build an accurate consist using the engine and tender widget. Worry not..................... But S7 and S8 stock have different seating arrangements as well as number of coaches. Granted, but does that mean you won't drive one on the District ? the cabs are the same, so the driving experience will be the same unless you are that picky about the differences. I'm not................. One can only hope they model both types of stock, but if not, it won't be the end of the day for me.......... I'll make do with my own 7 car formation.
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Post by Eddie on Sept 14, 2018 20:33:20 GMT
I have a sneaking suspicion that Just Trains have released the LA route and soon the S8 because they know the District Line users will buy the route and stock. We were going to be releasing a payware route with them featuring deep level tube, but we admitted to them that without a pukka LUL signalling system it was not going to happen. Draw your own conclusions from that......................To date we've had over 32,000 downloads. wait payware? No freeware d/l of the District Line to date.
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Post by Eddie on Sept 16, 2018 23:11:31 GMT
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Post by Richard on Sept 17, 2018 21:50:08 GMT
That looks a lovely job of blending the road and pavement into my model, which only gave you a simple ground.
Ed, I'm not sure I ever told you but I made a row of houses based on those Putney shops. I called it Putney Terrace and it might give some more options for populating streets.
Richard
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Post by Eddie on Sept 17, 2018 23:16:30 GMT
Yes, thanks Richard , I did spot those in the Editor, and I've been using it already , it gives a nice bit of variety to the surroundings, I'll post some more screen grabs soon, I've got the scenery almost to the end of Southfield now. I'm just going over it adding features here and there to flesh it out.
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Post by Eddie on Sept 19, 2018 19:39:20 GMT
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Post by klmconcorde on Sept 19, 2018 21:47:24 GMT
is the route nearly done? it looks like it
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Post by Eddie on Sept 19, 2018 22:38:23 GMT
Two station stops to go, plus Richard needs to finish Wimbledon as well. Still a fair bit to do , but like Woody Woodpecker I'm chipping away at it every night. After about 3 hours I get squiffy eyes and my knees start to ache so I have to limit the time I can spend on the route to keep it fresh. I don't want to start rushing and losing the level of detail I've got so far........... so really I'm only halfway from Putney Bridge to be totally honest. The section to Edgware Road is done, so it is not far from being done. Just a matter of weeks before I'm done in the WE.
Of course, there is then, the matter of removing the decals and adding the texturing mip mapping. After that, we have to wait for the C-stock and beta test the whole shebang with the rest of the team adding any criticism or making any changes they deem necessary, before building some scenarios to ship with the route, so you'll have to be patient to get a decent product, that doesn't need patching every 5 minutes.
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Post by xdoctorxuk on Sept 19, 2018 22:48:01 GMT
So do you mean that the scenery for Edgeware is done or the other important bits?
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Post by Xavier on Sept 20, 2018 8:15:22 GMT
So do you mean that the scenery for Edgeware is done or the other important bits? No the track and signals are in place but the rest of the stations and scenery needs to be done.
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Post by Eddie on Sept 20, 2018 18:49:47 GMT
Yes, the scenery needs to be done from HSK through to ERD, but as the main part of this section is in tunnel ( which has been done ) the only scenery needing to be added is around the vent sections and terminus. I have made a start here so that Richard has an area to build his model to. The main part of the scenery to be added, therefore, is the stations themselves which Richard will build and place. That will likely take some time as well. Rest assured that work is ongoing and everyone is busy.
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Post by piccadillyline on Sept 23, 2018 21:11:46 GMT
Why aren't you using the official Johnston font for signage?
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Post by klmconcorde on Sept 24, 2018 11:31:16 GMT
Why aren't you using the official Johnston font for signage? I agree i have the Official Johnston Font installed on my PC
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Post by klmconcorde on Sept 24, 2018 11:33:20 GMT
I still have the font in a ZIP format if you want me to upload it to mediafire for download or email
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Post by Eddie on Sept 24, 2018 19:39:14 GMT
Which signs are you referring To? AFAIA I thought we were already using it, where appropriate. Don't forget we are modelling the route circa 2008 and a lot of the Johnson font signage was replaced by LU with more modern versions. If we were modelling this in the 1980's then almost all signs would have been Johnston font originals. It's all about balancing the realism with modern day equivalents.
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Post by piccadillyline on Sept 24, 2018 23:58:45 GMT
I apologize for the confusion; I was referring to the New Johnston used throughout the network, not the original one designed by Johnston himself. I've made a comparison picture so that you can see what I mean. The second image is a texture I made quickly to illustrate my point. The font you've used looks different to the ones used, and makes quite the difference towards realism in my opinion. I can send you a copy of the font used in the second image, as I think it would make the stations look more realistic Other than that I think you guys have done a splendid job on the route and it looks bang on!
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Post by Richard on Sept 25, 2018 9:47:33 GMT
Most of the original models did use Johnston Font. When I re-installed my computer after a crash I used a font called LondonTube instead, which is a copy of Johnston.
The angle of the screenshots may be distorting things slightly and also sometimes a texture can stretch slightly to fit a model. This can be difficult to avoid and unfortunately fonts are fairly unforgiving when adjusted in any way. Making a texture is easy. Getting it to fit a 3D model gets a bit harder.
However, the station signs are using an original texture I made a few years ago and do use Johnston.
As always, if someone wants to come up with better models, I'm happy for them to be swapped over.
Richard
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Post by piccadillyline on Sept 25, 2018 22:44:23 GMT
I would be more than happy to help out with textures, I'm sure that the models don't need any adjusting.
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Post by Richard on Sept 26, 2018 8:26:48 GMT
Hi again
As I said making textures is no problem, but sometimes placing them on the model can cause distortion. Your comments were good and I re-visited the signs and re-textured. Hopefully that looks more the part now.
What you need to do is download a 3D modelling program and learn how to make models. And I mean that genuinely. This hobby needs more model makers, as people like me won't be doing it forever (I even retired once, but Ed dragged me out of it! Like Al Pacino said "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!").
Richard
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Post by Darren on Sept 26, 2018 9:30:04 GMT
Totally agree with you Richard. Blender and 3D Crafter are out there for free. This is a very time consuming hobby and many hands make light work. Lot of trial and error to get the desired result. It's the passion that keeps you motivated.
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Post by Eddie on Sept 26, 2018 19:05:57 GMT
Personally I have nothing but respect for 3d modellers, I bought the Abucus 3D modeller program many moons ago because I wanted to see how difficult or easy it was to produce scenery models. I eventually got the hang of it,after Jimi coached me in the black arts, I frustrated his efforts somewhat by using extrude for making almost every part of a model, but the bit that I never got the hang of was the most important part.......texturing. That turns an amorphous looking lump into a recognisable object. I couldn't get my head around it.............
To date I think I've only made 3 models for the current route which Richard had to texture for me, The Empress State building, The Ark at Hammersmith, and Earls Court 2. That was enough grief for me.......... I laid it to rest while I was ahead. I suspect that Richard had to virtually rebuild my models anyway because originally they were for our MSTS route but needed porting over to Railworks when we decided to rebuild the network. Without 3D modellers there would be no DLC at all so what we need is young blood coming through for when we old farts retire.
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Post by piccadillyline on Sept 26, 2018 21:57:27 GMT
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