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Post by xdoctorxuk on Sept 3, 2018 14:21:48 GMT
Do you guys think that all platforms will be able to fit most of the S7?
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Post by jmm on Sept 3, 2018 16:32:11 GMT
We don't mind criticism, by the way, this was a valid criticism of the westbound platforms at RPK and it's been fixed because it was brought to my attention. The next version of the route features are very rich in detail. The upgrade will surprise many of you by its scope. Some of the features on offer are : 1. Entirely new track which is 3D and extremely realistic in appearance but also featuring our own custom textured conductor rails. 2. Prototypical LU signalling system which has fixed a lot of pathing and scenario creation bugs. Each signal whose function is replicated in the real world ( circa 2008 ) is placed exactly as it's real world counterpart including number plate identification, so a real world train operator would recognise the cabin code for each signal. 3. Accurate gradient information, used wherever it is possible within the scope of route building and track laying. 4. New C-Stock train with 3D cab modelled by Darren our expert cab modeller and input mapper / script tecnician. Physics will be hammered out and systems recreated by Jimi our own Mr Fixit who can turn his hand to just about anything that London Transport had a roundel on. He has books on the subject of electric motors by a Mr Agnew I believe, so getting the physics right is a subject he believes in adamantly. 5. Extended trackwork and scenery to Wimbledon from Putney Bridge, and Edgware Road from High St. Kensington. Yes, we are now officially UNDERGROUND in the tunnels built over 150 years ago using the process called cut and cover. So plenty to look forward to. I didn't want to make a critic as such, I only wanted to let you know an issue I found, given that the route is progressing and you said a few days ago that some things would be changed in the previously released part. If my comment sounded in anyway inappropriate, I do sincerely apologise.
It seems indeed very promising and I'm looking forward to it! I guess with the new signalling in place that the JustTrains route will be required. Is that right?
Thanks!
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Post by Eddie on Sept 3, 2018 19:43:18 GMT
It's on the fix it list now..............
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Post by Eddie on Sept 3, 2018 19:57:03 GMT
I can now confirm that the Just Trains London to Aylesbury route ( either standalone or addon to Chiltern Mainline ) will be required to run the new version of our route. We have tested their new signalling system thoroughly and the attention to detail is without flaws.
Here is just one example. If you have ever watched a 125 video of the District Line or any other Underground route you will often see a signal showing a red aspect, the train will wait there, but instead of going green it actually shows red and green together for a moment before clearing to just a green aspect. This is because the signal waits until the trip cock is confirmed as lowered before the single green aspect displays . JT's signals behave exactly the same. Astounding work by their designer. In our opinion the route is worth the money for the signalling alone, but I've used many of their excellent assets already.
Until we get our hands on the S7 we won't know for sure if it will fit our platforms , but in the real world they do so there is no reason why they shouldn't in our route too.
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Post by Richard on Sept 4, 2018 10:58:22 GMT
Actually, I was on a Richmond bound train from Earls Court last Saturday and at one station it was announced that the front doors would not open due to a short platform. I can't remember which one though (possibly TGN or Ravenscourt Park).
Richard
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Post by Eddie on Sept 4, 2018 19:59:47 GMT
I think my money would be on Ravenscourt Park. The cab must be well onto the bridge then.
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Post by Eddie on Sept 4, 2018 23:19:12 GMT
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Post by Xavier on Sept 5, 2018 7:17:00 GMT
As do I.
But I'll let someone else guess.
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Post by klmconcorde on Sept 5, 2018 14:34:28 GMT
looking like that area between East Putney and Southfields where that tunnel is where the Tube shares track with the district line? also will superelevation be added?
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Post by Eddie on Sept 5, 2018 19:12:21 GMT
Pretty close, I reversed the pictures to throw you off the scent, as you exit the EAP tunnel this grab above, is what you will see, the footbridge is the giveaway here, the first grab is the approach to East Putney Station or EAP in LUL speak. Clue here is the RI indicator showing the possible diverge onto SWT track to Clapham Junction. This track is shared between District and SWT ( SWR ) and is used for empty stock movements. Track is managed and owned by Network Rail of course, an arrangement that was agreed upon many moons ago.
Superelevation is not modelled, simply because it restricts the curvature you can apply to track, which meant I couldn't follow the track path accurately enough and at 45 mph technically it is not needed. I tried to use it, but had to give up after much frustration. In the real world it is a lot easier to do.
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Post by xdoctorxuk on Sept 5, 2018 19:20:51 GMT
In places where sharp curves aren't needed, will there be super elevation?
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Post by Eddie on Sept 5, 2018 19:37:59 GMT
There is barely any need for superelevation on gradual curves which are dictated by the World Editor when you lay superelevated track using easements. At the speeds we're doing, overkill, at 90 mph it might make sense, but short answer is no superelevation anywhere. There is hardly a curve on the District so far that would be layable with easements. Not doable.
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Post by Eddie on Sept 5, 2018 23:14:46 GMT
Here are a couple of grabs of East Putney Station with furniture and scenery of area added. 20180905235934_1 by Dr_ Eddie, on Flickr 20180906000101_1 by Dr_ Eddie, on Flickr 20180905235746_1 by Dr_ Eddie, on Flickr All the scenery between here and Putney Bridge on the viaduct is complete now, I'll show some grabs of that soon. I'm nearly done from here to the East Putney tunnel too, just a few more buildings and offices plus vegetation to be added to some further outlying areas. Its slow going, but I'm slogging away most evenings.
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Post by xdoctorxuk on Sept 5, 2018 23:29:37 GMT
I have no words... Amazing.
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Post by jmm on Sept 6, 2018 12:34:29 GMT
Really good! Congratulations.
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Post by klmconcorde on Sept 7, 2018 18:15:56 GMT
There is barely any need for superelevation on gradual curves which are dictated by the World Editor when you lay superelevated track using easements. At the speeds we're doing, overkill, at 90 mph it might make sense, but short answer is no superelevation anywhere. There is hardly a curve on the District so far that would be layable with easements. Not doable. there are quite a few areas with super elevation like on the tracks between acton twn and hammersmith
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Post by klmconcorde on Sept 7, 2018 18:19:20 GMT
Here are a couple of grabs of East Putney Station with furniture and scenery of area added. 20180905235934_1 by Dr_ Eddie, on Flickr 20180906000101_1 by Dr_ Eddie, on Flickr 20180905235746_1 by Dr_ Eddie, on Flickr All the scenery between here and Putney Bridge on the viaduct is complete now, I'll show some grabs of that soon. I'm nearly done from here to the East Putney tunnel too, just a few more buildings and offices plus vegetation to be added to some further outlying areas. Its slow going, but I'm slogging away most evenings. but I gotta say the route looks stunning! any plans for more extensions / new areas? what happend to the guy who was creating the Heathrow Lines?
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Post by Eddie on Sept 9, 2018 22:04:00 GMT
When this branch is complete it is more than likely that whilst you are playing with all the new shiny bits and polished up old bits (fixed), that we will start to model the lower circle from Gloucester Road east bound to Whitechapel, and possibly the H&C to Hammersmith, because the C-Stock will be crying out for it, and we have built the spur for it already from Praed St Junction. No promises obviously but lets stay hopeful. I didn't say there wasn't any superelevation on the DR, just that technically there is no real need for it at a max of 45mph.
The problem for me is that in order to model it without socking great bumps, I have to use easements. This is quite difficult to do and moreover , you can't just turn them on or off once you started using them. Things soon degenerate into chaos. It is better to leave it alone and concentrate on getting the scenery more immersive.
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Post by Eddie on Sept 10, 2018 22:20:24 GMT
And to show you how immersive the scenery can be I have uploaded some screenshots to show you the completed section from Putney Bridge to the East Putney tunnel. This is the most time consuming part of route building. I cannot hope to get every building accurate to its real world counterpart, but just to get a flavour and feel of the real locations. Some are more faithful than others admittedly but I strive for something that approaches reality, such that a real world train op would instantly recognise the location. So here we are on the rather beautifully ornate Putney rail bridge heading out towards Wimbledon. 20180910221309_1 by Dr_ Eddie, on Flickr 20180910221812_1 by Dr_ Eddie, on Flickr 20180910184016_1 by Dr_ Eddie, on Flickr 20180910221051_1 by Dr_ Eddie, on Flickr 20180910185244_1 by Dr_ Eddie, on Flickr 20180910220735_1 by Dr_ Eddie, on Flickr 20180910185341_1 by Dr_ Eddie, on Flickr 20180910220944_1 by Dr_ Eddie, on Flickr The decals will be removed and the ground mip map textures will replace them so these shots will actually look better with the trackbed textures in place. Jimi is an artist with the paintbrush tool and he will enhance this for us to the next level using the UKTS Freeware Texture pack.
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Post by Richard on Sept 11, 2018 10:56:57 GMT
I always say, route builders are just as much artists as us modellers.
No matter how good (or otherwise) my station and train models are, this is when they come to life. Super work. I must get Wimbledon finished.
Richard
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Post by Jimi on Sept 11, 2018 21:40:07 GMT
I'll get the airbrush out and start practicing Ed! Yet another task I haven't done in a while. Concur with Richard. Everyone on the team contributes some set of details to the overall picture,until it just looks like the District :-)
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Post by Eddie on Sept 12, 2018 19:44:33 GMT
I think, for me, this is the most satisfying branch of the DR to date. I have my favourite areas for sure but I am keen to get this whole area really looking like the real railway. To that end, I even got arrested on one fine day, for taking pictures at B&Q at Wimbledon, of the railway and surroundings. I was pushed up against the cab, by two burly coppers and frisked, then they asked me why I was taking pictures. I was a bit reluctant to tell them, until I saw the handcuffs come out. Their eyes glazed over and I swear I saw pity in them too, when I explained. They let me go, probably because they thought that they would become a laughing stock for arresting an Anorak. So I have got something to prove here, that the embarrassment was worth it.............. and I live 10 minutes away, so its my home turf.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 17:38:59 GMT
It has just occurred to me that Just Trains are developing Metropolitan Line S8 Stock as Circle and District is S7 Stock so err there's gonna be some inaccuracy I guess. Any solutions?
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Post by Eddie on Sept 13, 2018 18:43:22 GMT
I'm pretty sure you will get the choice in consists of 7 or 8 car formations, if not it will be a fairly simple task to build an accurate consist using the engine and tender widget. Worry not.....................
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Post by xdoctorxuk on Sept 13, 2018 18:48:34 GMT
Question is will it come with District destinations? Who knows.
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